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... just really a kid thrown right in the middle of that. It was the glory days of the Mercury, the Original Seven, and then the next group, the Gemini Program was still ... that opportunity. '''Gibson:''' That's right. Right. '''Butler:''' Before you came back to NASA, you worked with a group in Germany. Is that correct? '''Gibson:''' That's right. I worked with ENRO Raumfahrttechnik, which ...

... where they collected the Genesis sample. That would have been beyond their walking circle, or right at the limit of it, although they could never get beyond their direct walk back ... being here on site during the missions, starting with 14, the group in our science building, there was a group of scientists, and I was involved in training by that time, but ... Houston were going, “Wait a minute, no, no, no, they can’t be right, that can’t be right.” The back room didn’t believe them, actually, until the rocks came back ...

... the astronauts, the aircraft operations, and I don’t know what the right name was, but they had a group that did all the crew procedures; they wrote the detailed procedures, and ... was no way to run that software on other computers and have it work right and look right to the crew and the flight controllers. So for that reason, we had to ... these procedures where we were going to check out that every switch worked right, that every system worked right, that our displays were reflecting the models of the electrical power system or ...

... the group. '''Armstrong:''' They've forgiven me for my errors. Laughter '''Ambrose:''' So, you came home from Korea and you'd completed your obligatory time in the navy, and you went right ... my own feeling was, as long as everything was going well and looked right, the engine was operating right, I had control, and we weren't getting into any unusual attitudes or ... going to be the great age of discovery." '''Armstrong:''' I think you're right. I hope you're right. My expectation is that we're not going to run out of new ...

... by with the manned space program. By that time the Space Task Group was formed at Langley. The Space Task Group was formed by NASA, and they were originally supposed to go ... to have their own Shuttle Operations and Planning Complex, which was going to be located right outside of Colorado Springs. That, unfortunately, fell through for a number of reasons, but mainly ... to the moon. '''Butler:''' Wow '''Cassetti:''' So, talk about predictions, grade-school predictions that were right. That was in 1949. '''Butler:''' That's great. What sparked your interest back then in ...

... astronauts. Frank Borman and Jim James A. Lovell Jr. were in that group. Neil A. Armstrong was in the group. I believe Edwin E. "Buzz" Aldrin Jr. was in that second class ... there. Dr. Sherman Vinograd was a medical doctor who came from academia and assembled a group of life scientists and biomedical research authorities who developed these proposals for research activities for ... I looked to as a role model. George Low was just the right man at the right place at the right time. The Apollo program might not have been turned around if he ...

... tried to think of the grossest thing. Since we were the thirteenth astronaut group, a black cat seemed about right, and so that’s what I came up with. I’ve still ... :''' But he didn’t get to work on all those experiments. '''Chiao:''' That’s right. That’s right. It was a very rewarding mission, because you come back and the scientists on ... nobody was interested in those twenty-five white guys. Everybody else was more interesting. '''Chiao:''' Right, right. '''Ross-Nazzal:''' You also mentioned George Abbey. As I understand, he had a softball team ...

... just going based upon the original crew task matrix that we sat down early, early, right away right just after the crew gets assigned, we sit down and—. '''Clancy:''' Pigeonhole people. '''Hansen ... well overall. We had a good flight. We also sit down with our group, and talk with our group, and debrief with our whole FAO team, and talk about how well things ... all the last names of everybody in my group and who’s working what. I was orbit three lead timeliner, so I’m right across here. Terry was always orbit two, the ...

... just going based upon the original crew task matrix that we sat down early, early, right away right just after the crew gets assigned, we sit down and—. '''Clancy:''' Pigeonhole people. '''Hansen ... well overall. We had a good flight. We also sit down with our group, and talk with our group, and debrief with our whole FAO team, and talk about how well things ... all the last names of everybody in my group and who’s working what. I was orbit three lead timeliner, so I’m right across here. Terry was always orbit two, the ...

... professionally and socially. As the Mercury Program started its simulations, it was interesting that the group would come out of Langley and they would be housed in various motels which weren ... , or the control people, but I was part of the group. I was always felt to be part of the group. If the group was going someplace, I went with it. If they ... was not in the instrumentation group that we were working with. But in any event, we got many Air Force officers, and they fit right into our group. I had many of them ...

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