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... said, “Walter, I’m in trouble.” He said, “What are you in trouble about?” So I told him about the situation.” He said, “What do you expect me to do?” I said ... , that is a tough machining job. Oh, the other thing about space shuttle, everybody was yelling about cross-range. Everybody was yelling about cross-range, and I was a newcomer. I got transferred ... I didn’t know how bad they were. Yes, here’s the one about Ridenour. But that’s about it, I guess. '''Butler:''' Looking back, when we were first beginning to talk ...

... be here. '''Ross-Nazzal:''' I’d like to start by talking about your pre-NASA days. Could you tell us about your interest in science when you were growing up? '''Fisher:''' I ... really a funny experience. But it was neat. You were asking me something. '''Ross-Nazzal:''' About your officemate. '''Fisher:''' Oh, my officemate, okay, so I was on the cover of Redbook ... ? '''Fisher:''' Oh, yes. '''Ross-Nazzal:''' What did you think of what his thoughts were initially about the women astronauts coming on board? '''Fisher:''' Well, I enjoyed his book, because it captured ...

... room, and when we finally got a TV, and I was about eight, I think, if there was any question about what we were seeing, we would look it up in the ... to help us maintain this democracy, and we shouldn’t be worrying about the packaging. We should be worrying about the talent and the capability to do the job. '''Ross-Nazzal:''' I ... , I’m wondering, would you like to talk a little bit about the mission, or should we wait to talk about the mission till next time? '''Dunbar:''' Why don’t we go ...

... them on nearly an equal level, because I would know almost as much about him as he knew about me. So I actually had fun. I was relaxed and joked around a ... to begin training. '''Duffy:''' Right. '''Johnson:''' Tell us a little bit about that flight and what the mission was about and what your training entailed. '''Duffy:''' Slightly different than my previous flight ... speed bump or something in a parking lot. Like “boom ” We didn’t think anything about it. About thirty seconds later, sometime later, another one. “Boom ” Well, Nancy told us later, she ...

... , it goes in the file, all in the way of business. You think about doing that now, think about doing something like that now? We’d go up to Wallops Island. Per ... was going through those different designs and testing, is there anything about that time period that you want to talk about as far as the Shuttle design and testing that we haven ... now. '''Johnson:''' When we first came in downstairs, we were talking about the brakes. Do you want to just talk about that for a second, the problem with the braking? '''Jackson:''' You ...

... was a real morale-builder up there. “Hey, they really thought of us. Thanksgiving. How about that?” '''Johnson:''' What other experiments? You mentioned the one where you did the OEX and ... making the landing. So it was a totally different feeling that I had about it. I remember thinking about it later, that it shouldn’t have been that much different. If I ... the lessons that I passed on. '''Johnson:''' Is there anything else about that first mission that we haven’t talked about, that you’d like to mention? '''O'Connor:''' No, I think ...

... Project Mercury? '''Johnson:''' Well, the management consisted, as far as I know, of about—I shouldn't talk about that because I didn't penetrate the top management, but there was only ... practical aspects of fabricating a man-carrying machine. We really didn't know anything about—some detailed things about it. We understood the theory, but we didn't know how one really ... in there, and I'm sure everybody joked about such things like that, but nobody seriously thought about doing it. But what we did argue about, though, was why in the world should ...

... was young enough that I could relate to most of the stuff that they worried about, about dates and how they looked and all that stuff. So that was great fun. But ... interested as anybody, obviously, in making it successful. '''Butler:''' Having talked about your relationship with the flight crews, how about your relationship with the flight controllers and working with them in the ... and the flight crews would have to get out, and they were unhappy about that, and nobody was happy about that. But on a good day, why, we'd have the mission ...

... then I went over there as chief engineer in the first place. '''Bergen:''' Tell us about the proposal and bidding stage. '''Feltz:''' On the Apollo? '''Bergen:''' Yes. '''Feltz:''' Well, I went ... necessarily the—test the boilerplate, if you please. So we dug a ditch about fifty feet long and about fifteen or twenty feet wide and filled it full of water, and then ... , you said, you also did some consulting for Space Station? '''Feltz:''' Yes. '''Bergen:''' Tell us about that. '''Feltz:''' Well, I was consulting for Space Station with Grumman, and I was very ...

... think it was going to go in September, and it seemed like about mid July—I may be wrong about the date, but you tend to shape your memories to your best ... liked doing it, I mean, there was a certain—I was in a discussion recently about people, about worry. Some person who was totally unrelated to the space program, had never been ... were able to keep an intact organization then, because we had, what, about five years—well, it was actually about three years, two or three years where there really wasn’t much ...

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