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... of Medicine downtown, supporting them on heart transplant pumps and research, and was telling them about some of our biomedical instrumentation here, and they had just done a heart transplant on ... and you told us an interesting story about—it related to that earlier, but can you talk about any of those with us? '''Bell:''' Not about what they were, no. But they were ... accommodating the hardware and facility implementation for payload cargo integration out there, and that was about the only involvement I had, was really trying to accommodate the change in logistics as ...

... if planning were done and so forth, that something could have been done about that, could be done about that. You know we had a press conference for the crew prior to ... going like this." They had a lot of—and we've talked sometimes about that. My personal view about that was that I felt that, as I've said, that I had ... first meeting, I knew that they were going to have trouble talking about—they didn't want to talk about rockets, and I understood that. At the beginning of the space program ...

... . I played drums. So, really, art and music was all I thought about. Now, I really didn’t think about space at the time. That was before, I guess, we were doing ... building regular buildings here on Earth, and they assigned me a guy about my age and a young lady about twenty-one, right out of school, and the two of the literally ... change all that much. Again, we’re a pretty small staff, had about thirty contractor people, but only had about seven or eight NASA people in our branch. So we were spread ...

... know some of that’s probably still classified, but can you still tell us something about your activities in the MOL Program? '''Bobko:''' The astronauts’ activities there were patterned rather similarly ... studied for my next missions to be able to do that. Just learned about the Shuttle, of course, and about the landing. I mean, when you come back into the atmosphere, things ... the Shuttle and taken up to the Station. So basically NASA has very little oversight about this whole process. It’s a commercial process. '''Bergen:''' That’s interesting. '''Bobko:''' Yes. '''Bergen ...

... recognized that they needed scientists inside the building that knew something about analysis of samples. So I was one of about eight young scientists hired in ’67, ’68 specifically to help build ... —I think it was Izvestia newspaper in Russia wanting to ask questions about some of the science testing. Thinking about it later, I realized I had to be speaking to an interpreter ... have enormous issues. The LRL cost $24 million through 1970. That’s about $140 million today. That’s about the cost of a small robotic mission. Who knows what that would cost ...

... recognized that they needed scientists inside the building that knew something about analysis of samples. So I was one of about eight young scientists hired in ’67, ’68 specifically to help build ... —I think it was Izvestia newspaper in Russia wanting to ask questions about some of the science testing. Thinking about it later, I realized I had to be speaking to an interpreter ... have enormous issues. The LRL cost $24 million through 1970. That’s about $140 million today. That’s about the cost of a small robotic mission. Who knows what that would cost ...

... on, and Bill at least was in that, so he could tell me about that. Joe Allen told me about the things that he had done. And the good thing was, neither ... around the world, trying to determine how they went about decisions to implement autoland; how they went about training; how they went about the decision in the cockpit whether or not to use ... . And contrary to what people will tell you, who don’t know about the flight, and don’t know about the crew, and don’t know Bill Nelson, I thought he did ...

... know, I wanted to do the mission and I didn’t care about the other crap. I didn’t care about the food or anything else. I just wanted to get it ... so I had so much confidence in him, I quit worrying about it. '''Harwood:''' It was a tough flight. Talk about readjusting, when you got down. I mean, were you surprised at ... space programs. So I left. '''Harwood:''' The—you told us some stories about Chris Kraft. Any stories stand out about any of the other folks you mentioned, like George Low? I mean ...

... , so we were trying to find out as much as we could at the time about Apollo, about the systems, the launch vehicles, and the spacecraft. But we were flying missions at ... remember, Newsweek or Time magazine also did an article in the mid sixties about the flight controllers, primarily about Kraft, who was still the flight director at the time. But somewhere in ... a little sober after the launch of Apollo 11. We didn't talk about it, but I've talked about it since with people, especially Kranz. Of course, he's kind of ...

... noticed that you also directed some microbiological and chemical research projects. Can you tell us about some of those projects? '''Bourland:''' That was one of them. I determined what would grow ... , zinc, protein, and magnesium . … '''Ross-Nazzal:''' … Is there anything else you think we should talk about, about Skylab? '''Bourland:''' Well, I was going to mention on the recovery ship for Skylab, when ...

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